QuantumScape Q4 2025 Earnings Call - Eagle Line inaugurated, blueprint for scalable QSE-5 production and licensing
Summary
QuantumScape closed 2025 by turning lab wins into manufacturing reality. Management inaugurated the Eagle Line on February 4, 2026, positioning it as a highly automated pilot that incorporates the COBRA process and serves as the blueprint to hand off QSE-5 production to licensing partners. The company shipped QSE-5 cells to Volkswagen Group partners and staged a high-profile Ducati V21L demo, while adding Murata and Corning to the supply ecosystem and signing multiple OEM development agreements.
Financially the story is disciplined but still early. Full year 2025 GAAP operating expenses were $472.6 million and GAAP net loss was $435.1 million. Adjusted EBITDA loss improved to $252.3 million from $285 million a year earlier, and management guides 2026 adjusted EBITDA loss to $250 million to $275 million. Liquidity stands near $971 million, customer billings and cash received were $19.5 million for 2025, and 2026 CapEx is expected at $40 million to $60 million, largely directed at next generation technology.
Key Takeaways
- Eagle Line milestone: Eagle Line inaugurated Feb 4, 2026, is a pilot, highly automated production suite incorporating the COBRA process, and is presented as the blueprint for customers to scale QSE-5 to gigawatt-hour factories.
- COBRA integrated: COBRA process was integrated into QuantumScape’s cell production baseline in June 2025, and is billed as the enabler of gigawatt-hour scale manufacturing.
- Commercial sampling and demos: COBRA-based QSE-5 cells were shipped to Volkswagen Group partners, and the Ducati V21L race bike showcased QSE-5 in a public vehicle demo at IAA Munich last year.
- Financials, headline numbers: Q4 GAAP operating expenses were $110.5 million and GAAP net loss was $100.1 million. Full year 2025 OpEx was $472.6 million and net loss was $435.1 million.
- Adjusted EBITDA and progress: Adjusted EBITDA loss was $63.3 million in Q4 and $252.3 million for 2025, a roughly 10% improvement vs prior year loss of $285 million. 2026 adjusted EBITDA loss guide is $250 million to $275 million.
- Liquidity and billings nuance: Company ended 2025 with $970.8 million in liquidity. Customer billings for 2025 totaled $19.5 million, and QuantumScape received $19.5 million in cash; due to related party accounting this amount was reported directly to shareholders’ equity under U.S. GAAP.
- CapEx posture: Q4 CapEx was $12.3 million and full year 2025 CapEx was $36.3 million. 2026 CapEx guidance is $40 million to $60 million, with management saying the majority will fund next generation technology beyond QSE-5.
- Business model clarified: QuantumScape is explicit about a capital-light, licensing-first model. The Eagle Line is the transfer vehicle, but management accepts multiple flavors, including contract manufacturing and partner-run fabs.
- Supply chain and partners: Strategic additions include Murata Manufacturing and Corning for ceramic production and ecosystem scale. PowerCo, the VW Group battery arm, remains a core partner and the expanded collaboration is ongoing.
- Conditional cash inflows explained: Slide change from prior quarter showing $261 million to $150 million was a presentation cut. The prior number combined a $130 million prepay plus up to $131 million of development payments. Contracts have not changed, the company is just presenting a different, more conservative slice.
- Customer diversification and new markets: Management added two global OEMs and plans to pursue high-value non-automotive markets, including data centers, drones, robotics, aviation, and consumer electronics, citing a "no-compromise" value proposition of safety, power, and energy density.
- Manufacturing reality check: Management repeatedly emphasized the unglamorous, iterative work ahead, calling out the need to drive uptime, yields, mean time between failures, cycle time, and cost down to prove the blueprint.
- Billings and revenue timing risk: Customer billings are lumpy and are not a substitute for GAAP revenue. QuantumScape expects billings to increase in 2026, but conversion to sustained licensing royalties remains a key timing risk.
- Industrialization caveat: Adapting form factors for varied customers is core to the value proposition, but such adaptations may require additional customer investment and bespoke work, meaning scale and timing depend on partner commitments and execution.
Full Transcript
Conference Operator: Good day, and welcome to QuantumScape’s fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings conference call. Sam Camara, QuantumScape’s Senior Director, Investor Relations, you may begin the conference.
Sam Camara, Senior Director, Investor Relations, QuantumScape: Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, and thank you to everyone for joining QuantumScape’s fourth quarter 2025 earnings call. To supplement today’s discussion, please go to our IR website at ir.quantumscape.com to view our shareholder letter. Before we begin, I want to call your attention to the safe harbor provision for forward-looking statements that is posted on our website as part of our quarterly update. Forward-looking statements generally relate to future events, future technology progress, or future financial or operating performance. Our expectations and beliefs regarding these matters may not materialize. Actual results and financial periods are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected.
There are risk factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from the content of our forward-looking statements for the reasons that we cite in our shareholder letter, Form 10-K, and other SEC filings, including uncertainties posed by the difficulty in predicting future outcomes. Joining us today will be QuantumScape CEO, Dr. Siva Sivaram, and our CFO, Kevin Hettrich. With that, I’d like to turn the call over to Siva.
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: Thank you, Sam. I would like to begin by reviewing our progress over the course of 2025. It was an extraordinary year on all fronts for QS. At the beginning of the year, we set aggressive goals for ourselves to baseline the Cobra process, ship Cobra-based QSE-5 cells, install equipment for our Eagle Line, and expand our commercial engagements. We are proud to report that we succeeded on all four key goals. In June, we announced that our breakthrough Cobra process has been integrated into our cell production baseline. This groundbreaking process enables gigawatt-hour scale production and is a catalyst for our capitalized development and licensing business model. With respect to commercial engagements, in 2025, we expanded our collaboration and licensing agreement with PowerCo, the battery manufacturer of the Volkswagen Group.
We also added two major global automotive OEMs to our portfolio of customers, announcing new joint development and technology evaluation agreements. Additionally, in 2025, we issued our first customer billings. In 2025, we added two globally renowned ceramic production experts to our QS ecosystems, Murata Manufacturing and Corning. We capped the year with our second annual Solid-State Battery Symposium in Kyoto, where we brought together ecosystem partners, automotive OEM customers, and government officials. 2025 also saw milestones in our technology commercialization roadmap, with COBRA-based QSE-5 cells shipped to the Volkswagen Group. In September, we made headlines as the Ducati V21L race bike, powered by QSE-5 cells, rode across the stage at IAA Mobility in Munich. This exciting event was the world debut of our solid-state lithium metal battery technology in a real-world electric vehicle.
Finally, over the course of 2025, we installed our pilot cell production line, the Eagle Line. On February 4, 2026, we held an inauguration event for the Eagle Line with attendance from automotive OEM customers, technology partners, and local and state government officials. Incorporating the innovative COBRA process, the Eagle Line is a suite of equipment, materials, and highly automated processes, forming the blueprint for production of QSE-5 technology. This leads me to our four key goals for 2026. Firstly, we will demonstrate scalable production of the Eagle Line. The purpose of the Eagle Line is threefold. First, it will produce QSE-5 cells to support customer sampling and testing, technology demonstrations, and product integration efforts. Second, the Eagle Line will show scalable process steps for production of our battery technology to enable licensing partners to bring our technology to gigawatt-hour scale in their own facilities.
Third, the Eagle Line gives us a platform to develop and test further enhancements and refinements at meaningful scale, allowing us to accelerate our advanced development efforts. In 2026, we will demonstrate the scalability of the Eagle Line through increasingly efficient cell output. Secondly, we will advance automotive commercialization. The automotive market remains our core focus, and in 2026, we aim to advance our automotive customers through the stages of our technology development and licensing business model. Working with multiple global auto OEMs, we will use our technology platform to tailor product solutions for vehicle programs, undertake field testing, and implement customer-specific industrialization strategies. Thirdly, we will expand into new high-value markets. Our solid-state battery technology offers a step change improvement over conventional lithium-ion technology...
Batteries are becoming a disruptive force across the entire economy, and we see the opportunity set for advanced energy storage expanding across existing and new applications. In 2026, we aim to seize opportunities where our differentiated solid-state technology can capture significant value. And finally, we will go beyond QSE-5. As a technology innovation company, we will continue to push the frontier of battery performance as we ramp production of our current QSE-5 platform. In 2026, we are focused on further advancements to meet the ever-growing need for energy storage in existing and emerging applications. And this year, we will announce progress along our technology roadmap. To conclude, I’d like to say a word about our strategic outlook. 2025 was a remarkable year, and it would not have been possible without the tireless effort of our outstanding employees.
Our ambitious goals for 2026 will require continued disciplined execution on the part of the team. Looking at the broader landscape, the world at large faces important challenges around technology and secure supply chains. We view this as a golden opportunity. Our mission to revolutionize energy storage has positioned us to offer solutions to these exact challenges. For industry partners who need better batteries, we seek to offer a future-proof technology platform that delivers better performance across the board and continuously improves over time. For players across the automotive, data center, robotics, aviation, and defense spaces, who are in need of next-generation energy storage to power demanding applications, our technology represents a compelling and unique solution.
We believe we have a diverse group of customer and application opportunities, a robust and growing partner ecosystem, and a differentiated technology platform that is both continuously improving and capturing the benefits of increasing scale. Even as we face the many challenges still ahead, we are establishing a strong foundation on which to build the future of energy storage. As a final note, we’d like to express our sincere gratitude to Professor Dr. Fritz Prinz, one of the co-founders of QuantumScape, who’s retiring from our board of directors after more than 15 years of service. We thank Fritz for his leadership, guidance, and friendship through this remarkable period of QS history. With that, I’ll turn things over to Kevin for a word on our financial outlook.
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: Thank you, Siva. GAAP operating expenses and GAAP net loss in Q4 were $110.5 million and $100.1 million, and for full year 2025 were $472.6 million and $435.1 million, respectively. Adjusted EBITDA loss was $63.3 million in Q4, in line with expectations, and for full year 2025 was $252.3 million within guidance. A table reconciling GAAP net loss and adjusted EBITDA is available in the financial statement at the end of this shareholder letter. For 2026, we expect full-year adjusted EBITDA loss to be between $250 million and $275 million as we work towards our goals, while continuing to drive greater operational efficiency across the company.
Capital expenditures in the fourth quarter were $12.3 million, and for full year 2025 were $36.3 million within guidance. Q4 CapEx primarily supported facilities and equipment purchases for the Eagle Line. For 2026, we expect full year CapEx to be between $40 million and $60 million. The majority of which we plan to invest into the next generation of our technology. Customer billings for full year 2025 were $19.5 million. As a reminder, customer billings may vary from quarter to quarter due to fluctuations in activity as we progress through various phases of an agreed scope of work. Customer billings is a key operational metric meant to give insight into customer activity and future cash flows. The metric is not a substitute for revenue under U.S. GAAP.
During the quarter, we received $19.5 million in cash from 2025 customer billings. As noted on our Q3 call, due to the related party nature, U.S. GAAP required this amount to be reported directly to shareholders’ equity once certain requirements were met. We ended 2025 with $970.8 million in liquidity, and we’ll remain prudent with our strong balance sheet going forward. As always, we encourage investors to read more on our financial information, business outlook, and risk factors in our quarterly and annual SEC filings on our investor relations website.
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: Thanks, Kevin. We will begin today’s Q&A portion with a few questions we have received from investors or that I believe investors would be interested in. Siva, can you expand further on why the inauguration of the Eagle Line was such a significant milestone and a notable event on QuantumScape’s commercialization pathway? Also, how will you use this line to demonstrate scalable production? Sam, the Eagle Line is an extremely important catalyst for our technology commercialization goals. At the beginning of 2025, we set out the goal of increasing our output of QSE-5 cells. When we were ramping volumes for the Munich IAA show, we had a stable baseline to make cells for the Ducati bike. We decided that the processes were sufficiently mature, and it was time to significantly increase the automation of the line to better match the productivity of the Cobra process.
In the subsequent 10 months, we designed the line, prototyped it, found partners for equipment, built the tools, installed the tools at QS, qualified the processes on the tools, and released the equipment to the baseline. This was an incredible effort on the part of the team to get it done in such a short time. As we said in the letter, the Eagle Line enables pilot production of cells for sampling and is a platform to develop technologies for future generations. The most important outcome is to have a blueprint for production. This is what we intend to transfer to our customers so that they can ramp to gigawatt-hour scale in their factories. Success on the Eagle Line is to have a blueprint for scale, cost, quality, and cycle time that a customer can deploy into their manufacturing line.
This is about demonstrating the technology to our licensing partners for them to take the next step up in scale.
Sam Camara, Senior Director, Investor Relations, QuantumScape: Thanks, Siva. You’ve highlighted growing interest beyond automotive. How are you thinking about those opportunities while maintaining focus on automotive commercialization?
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: Sam, automotive customers remain our core focus. Still the biggest and most valuable market for batteries. Nothing has changed on that front. The long-term global trend towards electrification is going to continue, and if you think about the autonomous vehicles really starting to become mainstream, those fleets make the economic logic for EVs even more compelling. We have a cell and a design that is unique. It is capable of being safer, performing better across a wide temperature range, combining high power and high energy density. These characteristics are highly valuable across other applications. For example, in a data center, you have high ambient temperatures, but you absolutely cannot have a fire in racks with a million-dollar GPUs. In a drone, you need better energy density, but also extremely high discharge power. In addition, our architecture can work with different cathode chemistries, which makes our technology even more versatile.
We can offer a differentiated and no-compromise solution to these emerging applications, and these markets are growing rapidly. It’s a logical step for us to pursue these markets.
Sam Camara, Senior Director, Investor Relations, QuantumScape: Thanks, Siva. Kevin, how would you assess QuantumScape’s performance in 2025, and how are you thinking about achieving the company’s 2026 objectives while maintaining operational and capital efficiency?
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: I’d characterize 2025 as a strong year for QuantumScape. We executed on our key objectives for the year, and just as importantly, we did so with a high degree of financial discipline. We delivered approximately a 10% year-over-year improvement in Adjusted EBITDA loss, narrowing from $285 million to approximately $252 million. That improvement reflects a sustained company-wide focus on cost effectiveness. We made deliberate choices that improved our cost structure, for example, advancing value engineering efforts across the Eagle Line, as well as optimizing our real estate footprint. These actions allowed us to make meaningful technical progress while improving capital efficiency. 2025 was also an important validation year for our development and licensing model. Under this structure, we said we could generate customer-related cash inflows ahead of earning licensing royalties.
During the year, we demonstrated that capability by achieving our first customer billings, totaling $19.5 million. Finally, we exited 2025 with $970.8 million of liquidity, leaving us with a strong balance sheet for this next phase of execution. Looking ahead to 2026, we believe our plan is well aligned with the goals we’ve laid out, and importantly, it allows us to advance those objectives while we further improve efficiency and monetize the platform we’ve built. Regarding efficiency, our plan is to continue to systematically, methodically, and iteratively drive efficiency gains across the organization via the activities you’d expect: ongoing value engineering, higher equipment uptime and throughput, and further improvements in yield and reliability. We’re well along in deploying machine learning and AI tools to accelerate development cycles and improve engineering productivity.
On monetization, we expect customer billings in 2026 to increase relative to 2025 levels as we deepen and expand customer engagements.
Sam Camara, Senior Director, Investor Relations, QuantumScape: Okay, thanks so much, Kevin. We are now ready to begin the live portion of today’s call. Operator, please open up the line for questions.
Conference Operator: Thank you so much, and as a reminder to our teleaudience, if you do have a question, press star one, one, and wait for your name to be announced. To remove yourself, press star one, one again. One moment for our first question. It comes from Mark Shooter with William Blair. Please proceed.
Mark Shooter, Analyst, William Blair: Hi, team. Thanks for taking my question, and congrats on commissioning the Eagle Line. And my question here is, with this new manufacturing technology, I know there’s a lot of improvement in throughput and yield, but I’m wondering if there’s an ability to increase the surface area of your ceramic separator, and therefore maybe increase the cell size. Is this possible, and is this on your technology roadmap?
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: Mark, thank you. Thanks for the question. The Eagle Line clearly enables us to do all the things you just said: improving yield, improving uptime, improving operational efficiency, improving materials utilization, so that we can show our customers the efficiency with which we can make cells. Equally importantly, the Eagle Line and the Cobra line are set up to be adaptable to making the line useful for every customer for their specific needs. Our aim is to use the Eagle Line as the backbone, so that when we industrialize for specific customer, for specific needs, we can adapt the line to make that happen. That’s exactly what we are using as this transfer platform. So the Eagle Line acts as the scalable blueprint for us to take a core technology platform and adapt it to every one of our customers’ specific needs.
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: Yeah, Mark, as you mentioned, those are probably the three vectors we’d expect our automotive customers to work with, either be choice of cathode, capacity to cell, and so, and cell format. Our Cobra process is capable of those, and as is the Eagle Line, and that’s exactly fits into that first of our, two phases of our, our, our business model, working together with customers to customize, our, our technology platform to their product solutions, earning the first line of cash flow and longer term, setting up that much larger, licensing opportunity.
Mark Shooter, Analyst, William Blair: Yeah. Thank you, gentlemen. I appreciate the color there. Just as a follow-up, maybe at a finer point, and, and the reason why I asked about the surface area increase, maybe larger cells, is what, what it... What I thought I heard from the PowerCo arrangement is that the QuantumScape cells need to fit into the Unified Cell architecture, and I’m wondering if that can be done with the current size, the QSE-5, or is that a, a larger cell that you need to develop?
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: Yeah, as you just said, the QSE-5 cell is a certain aspect ratio, providing us with about 5.6 amp-hour and about 21 watt-hour cell. The Unified Cell is a larger form factor, and every customer has their specific need for what they need for their application. And fully knowing that, we use this as the adaptable baseline. The Eagle Line will show what the platform is from which we can adapt it to make it bigger, smaller, whatever we need to. And that’s the whole point of establishing one stable baseline from which we can build for different customers.
Mark Shooter, Analyst, William Blair: Very helpful. Thank you.
Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Winnie Dong with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed.
Winnie Dong, Analyst, Deutsche Bank: Hi, thank you so much for taking my questions. In your prepared remark, you alluded to various, you know, verticals, including data centers and robotics, aviation, as potential applications outside of automotive. And I think in the past, you know, consumer electronics was also a potential application as well. Was wondering if you can help us understand, you know, is there one vertical where your technology is more suitable than the other ones? For instance, I’m just trying to understand in, for example, stationary storage, a lot of companies that are sticking to this are trying to use LFPs. So just curious, like, is why is lithium metal, you know, just as good or even better for some of these applications? Thank you.
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: Yeah. So Winnie, let me start out and Kevin has some strong views on the subject that he’ll continue on. Clearly, the architecture that we have developed with the ceramic separator provides you what we call a no-compromise solution. Meaning, concurrently, at the same time, we can deliver high energy density, high power density in both charge and discharge, better safety capability, cycle life, and because we eliminate the anode, we have better... And because the formation is so short, we can deliver a better cost profile. Each of these markets that we just talked about have unique needs. For example, as you asked, the consumer electronics product is very big on volumetric energy density. We are trying to make sure that we size the opportunity, work with customers, move rapidly, so that we can take our no-compromise cell-...
and fit it into the appropriate platform, appropriate form factor, and quickly get to market. That’s the idea behind. And as you would expect, the automotive market still is the larger market, and we remain focused on it. And logically, the automotive market is also takes the longest time to develop, qualify, and deploy into larger fleets. These are just facts of the marketplace that we work with, but the cell itself is so useful across different markets that we do think it’s logical for us to take that leap.
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: Yeah. As Siva mentioned, we’re starting from a good place with that no-compromise battery, with the advantages Siva laid out, there’s we see opportunities over the fullness of time across a broad set of energy storage applications. I believe you listed several potential applications. Consumer electronics tends to really get excited about the volumetric energy density advantage. AI data centers, data center safety, drones, and anything that flies loves the gravimetric savings and the power. And the grid, at least for the major load shifting application, values cost per round-trip cycle.
So we believe we can offer compelling solutions in all these spaces, and as a management team, it’s our job, how many of these do we do in parallel, and in what order do we sequence them to both delight our customers and to optimize returns for our shareholders? And everything we just discussed about, we’re intending in goal number three that we laid out in our letter today, expand into high-value markets.
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: Winnie, the whole thing is enabled by the Eagle Line. The Eagle Line allows us the flexibility of going and trying this out because we have the ability to make more samples for more customers, and that is what makes this whole thing possible.
Winnie Dong, Analyst, Deutsche Bank: Got it. Thank you. My second question is on the year’s EBITDA guidance. I was wondering if you can help us flesh it out in terms of the OpEx, and also in the context of some of the billable help that you can get from your partner, as a result of the partnership. Thank you.
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: So, and then, Winnie, can you help me with the color around which aspect, and then you were asking about color on billings? Is that a correct rephrasing of your question?
Winnie Dong, Analyst, Deutsche Bank: Yeah. Essentially, you’re guiding to... You have the year’s EBITDA guidance. I’m just curious in the context of existing partnership. I think in the past, you’ve mentioned, you know, getting operational help from some of these partners. Is it being considered within the outlook, and-
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: Got it.
Winnie Dong, Analyst, Deutsche Bank: Yeah. Thank you.
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: Yeah. So, that’s a great question. So to answer what you just mentioned first, so yes, our EBITDA guidance is inclusive of help, either from OEM partners or, ecosystem partners. That’s all baked in, and, by the way, there is significant resource being put, in by all of those, three. In terms of just some color, the EBITDA guidance is relatively flat year over year, but I would point out that the team is seeking to take on a lot more with expanding and deepening the automotive partnerships, as well as expanding into new high-value, markets. There’s all sorts of activities, behind that, as well as pushing the frontier of battery development. So our goal is to deliver much more with the same resource base, improving efficiency to, shareholders.
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: But Winnie, just to be clear, for this year, Kevin just announced $19.5 million of billings and cash received, and that, as he has pointed out, has gone directly into equity, and that is not part of the EBITDA loss that we just announced.
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: Correct. As I mentioned in the comments, please expect that to be lumpy quarter-to-quarter as we do this type of agreed development work with customers and ecosystem partners as well as our desire to improve on it 2026 versus 2025.
Winnie Dong, Analyst, Deutsche Bank: Got it. That’s very helpful. I’ll pass along. Thank you.
Conference Operator: Thank you so much. Our next question comes from the line of Joseph Spak with UBS. Please proceed.
Joseph Spak, Analyst, UBS: Thank you. Good afternoon. First question is just, if I compare the slide that you put out today versus, versus prior, it looks like that conditional cash inflows is now $150 million. Last time it was $261 million. Can you, can you detail what changed there?
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: If you just to rephrase, or maybe to clarify, when we expanded the VW, the development and collaboration and licensing agreement with Volkswagen last summer, there’s an opportunity to earn up to $131 million worth of those development type payments. Is that what you’re referring to, Joe?
Joseph Spak, Analyst, UBS: Yeah. Like, if I—you put on, like, on slide 16, you have on the slide detailing your relationship with PowerCo, it says $150 million plus of conditional cash inflows. If I look at the last quarter slide, that 150 was 261.
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: Let me, let me pull that up and revert with you in a few minutes.
Joseph Spak, Analyst, UBS: Okay.
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: I don’t have that in front of me. I will revert it with you on that.
Joseph Spak, Analyst, UBS: Okay. The next question then, just, you know, obviously, PowerCo is a deep and important partner here. There had been some reports that Volkswagen sort of slashed the funding there. Just curious if that sort of, if you felt that at all, if that sort of impacted your business or your work with them, or if it’s even increased some of your urgency to diversify to other customers?
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: ... Yeah. So, Joe, our work with PowerCo is continuing on unchanged. Their commitment to us is very, very good. Our relationship with them and, and the focus with which we are working together is as good as ever. We are both working towards a set of agreed-upon scope of work. That has not changed, and we are continuing to build them the way we have agreed in that $131 million deal that Kevin just talked about. So in July of last year, we agreed on a scope of work, and our partnership is as strong as ever. And the work itself is lumpy as in, as in the way it is planned in, in up and down, but we are doing very well with respect to Volkswagen.
That does not mean we are not working with other customers. As we announced in the letter, we have added two new large global auto OEMs to our portfolio, with whom we are working with. We have also announced additional technology development and technology evaluation agreements with them together. This is in a good place. The customer interest has been very strong, and the Volkswagen and PowerCo relationship still remains very, very strong.
Joseph Spak, Analyst, UBS: Okay. Last question for me, and you touched on some of this, and I just sort of want to better understand how you’re thinking about it, ’cause you talked about new end markets, opportunities, energy storage, robotics, you know, exciting stuff. But, you know, if I look at what you’ve done with the auto business, you’ve effectively, right, left the commercialization and industrialization to PowerCo and other partners. So as you move to these other end markets, like, how is it... You know, if you’re not making a sort of a standard cell, like, and I understand the Eagle Line sort of helps you sort of do different form factors or different cells.
But, like, aren’t you gonna need to sort of reach out individually to help sort of scale these different form factors for these opportunities? It just, it just seems maybe a little bit more difficult as you go to some of these other end markets, where there might be some more bespoke use cases versus, you know, the old strategy, which was doing it yourself. But, but maybe I, I, I misunderstand. So if you could just help.
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: Joe, this is a very perceptive question. I’m glad you asked. The licensing and capital light business model is not a single flavor. There are a lot of different ways of doing the same thing. Have made, have made rights, having contract manufacturing, having our partners manufacture for others, having customer provided manufacturing abilities. There are many different ways of doing it. As long as we are not spending the capital to build it, we can do this very well, and these markets are fully amenable to these business models. So we are exploring those with our new customers. I’m not saying that we rule anything out, but our preference has always been to a licensed and capital light business model. So I’m glad you asked this question.
Even in these markets, such different variations on this theme are very possible.
Joseph Spak, Analyst, UBS: Thank you for that. I appreciate it.
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: We did... I did have a chance to look at the slide you referenced. The prior reference to 260 or 261 is when you sum both parts of the economics with Volkswagen together, the $130 million prepay and the up to $131 million of development payments. That’s the former number you referenced. In this latest-
Joseph Spak, Analyst, UBS: Okay.
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: As footnoted, what we’re doing is we’re only having more of a backwards-looking view, where we’re only counting the billings to date, plus the $130. So it’s a different cut at the same two numbers. There’s nothing changed contractually.
Joseph Spak, Analyst, UBS: Okay, so nothing changed with that other, that delta, that sort of more-
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: Correct.
Joseph Spak, Analyst, UBS: Potentially to come. Okay.
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: Correct. It’s more looking at the bird in the hand relative to billings, as opposed to the bird in the bush, with the up to.
Joseph Spak, Analyst, UBS: Thank you for that. I appreciate it.
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: Yeah.
Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Mark Delaney with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed.
Aman, Analyst, Goldman Sachs: Hi, good evening. Thank you for taking the questions. You have Aman on for Mark. Maybe kind of starting on, on your, your goal for the Eagle Line and, and scaling that, and congrats on getting that, that installed. Can you maybe help provide some context for, for, you know, where some of the key metrics for that line are today? Like, you know, yields and, and, production time and, and things like that, and how you see that scaling over the course of the year, and what’s needed to then, you know, exiting the year, get to, commercial transfer to your, your licensing partners? Thank you.
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: Yeah. Aman, thank you for the question. So last year, we had a manual line with which we were producing cells for applications such as the IAA, Munich demonstration on the Ducati bike. We developed a very stable baseline, and we decided that was a good time to convert it to be a much more highly automated line, so that we can match the output of the highly productive Cobra line to the cell making line. And so in the 10 months since March of last year, we have literally conceived the line, designed it, found the build partners for the equipment, built the equipment and brought them over here, installed them, qualified them, developed the process, transferred the process, and then converted into the baseline, and we are running it. And that’s what we inaugurated last week, this time.
Now, this is a manufacturing prototype pilot line, and so this is what we are using to convince and work with our partners who are going to be working with us hand in glove, watching how this is done. So all of the metrics that we normally use in a pilot production facility, such as uptime, mean time between failure, mean time to assist, mean time to repair, yields, reliability, quality, cycle time, cost, all of these kinds of metrics have to be made efficient so that our customers come and work with us and say, "Okay, now I am ready to go take this line and convert it to our need in my own factory for scalability." So these are the things that you, what you just asked, is what we will be very, very, very closely monitoring as we ramp it up.
We are in a good place, and we’ll continue to work with our customers, and we need to show this to our customers who are here with us, watching this. And when we inaugurated the line here, the customers were actually here with us as we got this started.
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: Just one other, some other dots to, to connect. The Eagle Line is certainly called out in our first corporate goal for 2026, demonstrate scale and production with Eagle Line. As Siva was mentioning, it’s central to the other three. Without that type of prototype and sampling and demo volume, that is the currency with which we can advance automotive commercialization, new and existing, as well as gives us the currency to expand into new high-value markets. And it also gives us other parts for internal use to do development on, to support that beyond QSE-5 roadmap. So that Eagle Line we demonstrated last week is really important to set up a successful 2026.
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: Now, having said all that, Aman, this is the unsexy part of the work. This will be systematic, methodical, iterative improvement of every one of those, so that the customers see and work with us to see the rate of progress on all of them. So this is not new thing. I have done this many times in the past, and the employees know what it is that we need to do here at QS. So we’ll get that going.
Aman, Analyst, Goldman Sachs: Appreciate the color there. Thank you. And maybe, you know, tying that to my follow-up here, Kevin, you talked about, you know, $40 million-$50 million... or $40 million-$60 million of CapEx. Can you maybe help dimension that across some of the spending you’ve kind of outlined in your goals, whether that’s, you know, for the Eagle Line and scaling that, versus expanding some of the QSE-5 technology and, you know, potential incremental spend related to expanding to some of these other end markets? And how should we think about that level then being sustained beyond 2026 in terms of, you know, further continuing to explore those opportunities? Thank you.
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: It’s a good question, Aman. The bulk of the spend goes towards the fourth goal of going beyond the QSE-5, and the bulk of the CapEx spend from $40 million-$60 million, as you referenced. There is CapEx in the other categories, but with the maturity of the QSE-5 platform, for example, in the case of the expanding into new high-value markets or doing custom development for OEMs, it’s more incremental on choice of cathode or dimensions or form factor. That’s more of an incremental spend as opposed to a core development spend. As a technology licensing company, it is our core job to develop and pilot and transfer high-performance battery technology to our customers and partners.
Capital is required to push that frontier, and this is the type of magnitude, we think investors should expect going forward for that steady state, advanced runway development. And I would also like to draw a contrast with this type of spend under a technology licensing model with that of a full-blown manufacturing company, which requires $ billions of investment for gigawatt-hour scale, done before, years before that factory even comes online. So we think that our choice of business model is in the best interest of shareholders.
Aman, Analyst, Goldman Sachs: Thank you. And maybe just on that point, to quickly add, can you kind of dimension what are the goals you’re trying to hit for the QSE-5, like, beyond the QSE-5 platform that you’re spending on? I apologies if you’ve discussed it before. I don’t have it off the top of my head.
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: No, Aman, last year we put out our blueprint on how we move forward as a technology company. The QSE-5 is our first minimum viable product. Clearly, as we move up the S-curve rapidly, we need to make the performance metrics better on every aspect of it and keep moving this up. And every 18-24 months, we will be coming up with new upgrades on this that we need to come and show you all, show our customers, and show our shareholders, where we are spending the money and to move the technology frontier forward. That’s where this is headed from the QSE-5 moving on.
Aman, Analyst, Goldman Sachs: Thank you very much.
Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ben Kallo with Baird. Please proceed.
Ben Kallo, Analyst, Baird: ... Hey, good evening, guys. It was great to see you last week. One thing I noticed, you know, when I was visiting is, you know, your supply partners there. I just want to get a sense of, you know, how they’re thinking about your future or potential customers outside of Volkswagen. And I know you guys have done a lot of work with supply chain, so if you could talk about that and just how that helps you with new potential customers.
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: Ben, great to see you last week. Thank you for being here. You’re 100% correct. The QS ecosystem is very important to us. This level of technology change cannot be done by a single company. It requires a whole ecosystem to move this forward, whether it be in capital equipment, whether it be in advanced materials, whether it be in things like software and AI systems, there are places where we need help. Murata and Corning being able to take over and run the manufacturing for the ceramic separator is a big step forward for last year. In our solid-state symposium that we hosted in Kyoto, we brought together similarly our tool vendors from across the world to be there.
And you saw some of these suppliers here in QS who helped us build the Eagle Line. These folks are very excited about the possibility of us expanding further into other form factors, into other markets, into new customers, both in the automotive and non-automotive spaces. We are counting on their support, and we will be expanding the ecosystem continuously to make sure that we can bring this along. And, again, Kevin is very passionate about our secure supply chain, and let him talk about that.
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: Yes, Siva mentioned in the ecosystem we’re building, where there’s customers, there’s cell manufacturers and suppliers of materials and equipment. As you add more activity to it, it makes the whole stronger. Certainly from the view of a cell manufacturer or a supplier of equipment or materials, more additional end markets and expanding and deepening automotive relationships is a good place to sell their goods and services into. But then from the flip side, if you’re a QSE-5 customer or a manufacturer, the cells having a ready supply chain with the world’s leading examples in their respective spots only strengthens the value proposition as well. So we’re very excited with the progress that we made in 2025, and our goal is to continue that moving forward into 2026.
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: And Ben, equally important is the people you did not see in that group. You did not see a graphite supplier, you did not see an anode supplier. So securing the supply chain is as much for us about making sure that the suppliers that we need are there, as much as making sure that we are not unduly dependent on any one material from any one place. So that also helps us in securing our supply chain.
Ben Kallo, Analyst, Baird: Thank you. You know, we see, you know, OEMs retrenching or retreating or however you want to characterize it. And, you know, there’s excess cell capacity out there. And I just wonder how that impacts your discussions with new potential customers. Yeah, I’ll leave it there, and thank you, guys.
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: Ben, thank you. Yes. So clearly there is turbulence in the marketplace, at least in the US. However, the folks, especially at the senior levels in these companies, as we talk to, consistently are more optimistic about the long term. We see the fact that electrification as a longer term trajectory is still the right way to do it. The more we see about, for example, self-driving vehicles, navigation systems, you start to see there are other vectors that are forcing the EV conversion. So every customer we talk to is upbeat about two things: electrification, but in particular, solid state batteries. Both are things that they come to talk to us, and, and we see and sense that excitement with, with, with our partners.
Kevin Hettrich, CFO, QuantumScape: And we hope you can see that some of these themes were certainly playing out in 2025. And against that backdrop, we expanded the VW PowerCo collaboration agreement. We signed 2 new joint development agreements. We added a new technology evaluation agreement. We think that is consistent with the excitement that Siva mentioned. And while you use the word retrenchment, the automotive industry still is growing. It still is very much a growth sector. So the short, medium, and long-term prospects we think are still of growth.
Ben Kallo, Analyst, Baird: Great. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.
Conference Operator: Thank you. Our last question comes from Laysha Sack with HSBC. Please proceed.
Laysha Sack, Analyst, HSBC: Hi, Siva. Hi, Kevin. How are you? Thanks for having us last week. I just have one question because my previous ones were already answered. But I wanted to know if you have any KPIs that you can share with us on how you will measure the goals that you set for 2026?
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: Leisha, it was great to see you last week. Thank you, thank you for being here. Clearly, the four goals that we have outlined are all very quantitative for us inside the company. Whether it is about the Eagle Line, demonstrating the efficiency and scaling of the Eagle Line for the purposes we just talked about. Whether it is about making sure that we expand or advance our partnerships with the automotive markets. Whether it is to go beyond the QSE-5 and expand into high-value markets. Each of those is a extremely important vector for the company to continue to progress on.
We will continue to update you as we progress on each of those, and you will see this progress as we give you update. Our job is to make sure that, just like we did in last year, tell you what we are going to do, and then do as we say, and on time, and give you guys those updates.
Laysha Sack, Analyst, HSBC: Okay, that makes a lot of sense. And just one last thing. I, I know you mentioned that your focus is still automotive, but when you’re, when you eventually start looking at other applications, does the Eagle Line require major adjustments depending on the segment that you cater to? And will these imply a higher CapEx also, like, you know, for the customers? You said that the blueprint is easily adjustable to each customer’s needs, but does this imply that they need to invest more to adjust to whatever they wanna create, so that depending on the market or segment that the customer is in?
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: Yeah. It is an interesting dilemma, Laysha. This is the reason we chose the licensing business model. In the battery business, every customer wants their unique form factor. If we try to set up a line for every one of them, it becomes untenable. What we have done is a foundational technology, a scalable blueprint that we can do it. But any change that we do for any specific customer, clearly, we expect that as part of the earlier payment, we would be working with them on financial arrangements to make sure it is done, so that we stay capital light. And when we take our technology roadmap and show it to our customers, we clearly set the expectation that we intend to be a capital light licensing company.
Laysha Sack, Analyst, HSBC: Okay. Well, thank you so much, Siva, and congrats again on the inauguration.
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: Thank you, Laysha.
Conference Operator: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, and this concludes our Q&A session for today, and I will pass it back to Siva Sivaram for closing comments.
Dr. Siva Sivaram, CEO, QuantumScape: Thank you, operator. Finally, today, I want to recognize the entire QuantumScape team for their execution in Q4 and throughout 2025, and I wanna thank our shareholders for their continuous support. We look forward to updating you on our progress in the months ahead. Thank you.
Conference Operator: Concludes our conference. Thank you all for participating, and you may now disconnect.