TNK February 19, 2026

Teekay Tankers Q4 2025 Earnings Call - Spot-Driven Cash Pile and No-Debt Enable Selective Fleet Renewal

Summary

Teekay Tankers closed 2025 with a clean balance sheet and a market that finally rewarded its spot-heavy strategy. Q4 GAAP net income came in at $120 million ($3.47/share) and adjusted net income was $97 million ($2.80/share). The company generated roughly $112 million of free cash flow in the quarter, finished with about $853 million of cash and no debt, and declared a regular $0.25 quarterly dividend. Management is using the windfall to refresh an aging fleet while staying disciplined on price.

Geopolitics and sanctions remain the short-term story. Sanctioned barrels at sea have jumped, pushing more cargoes onto compliant ships and lifting spot rates, particularly for mid-size tankers. Teekay has been opportunistic: buying newer Aframaxes, selling older Suezmaxes and its lone VLCC, and booking expected gains. Management says they will likely deploy cash selectively, drip-feeding purchases and using old-for-new swaps rather than pursuing a large takeover, while monitoring the market and the board’s historical habit of considering specials in May.

Key Takeaways

  • Q4 GAAP net income was $120 million, or $3.47 per share; adjusted net income was $97 million, or $2.80 per share.
  • Full-year GAAP net income was $351 million ($10.15/share) and adjusted net income $241 million ($6.96/share).
  • Teekay Tankers generated approximately $112 million of free cash flow from operations in Q4 and $309 million for full-year 2025.
  • Cash position at quarter end was $853 million with no debt, excluding $99 million held in escrow related to vessel payments.
  • The board declared the regular fixed dividend of $0.25 per share; management historically discusses special dividends at the May board meeting.
  • Low free cash flow breakeven is approximately $11,300 per day, down from $21,300 in 2022. Every $5,000/day above that breakeven is estimated to produce about $55 million of annual free cash flow or roughly $1.60 per share.
  • Fleet renewal in action: in January Teekay acquired three 2016-built Aframaxes for $142 million and bareboat chartered them back to the seller until commercial takeover in Q2-Q3 2026.
  • In 2025 the company acquired six vessels for $300 million and sold 14 vessels for $500 million, with estimated gains of about $145 million, illustrating an active old-for-new strategy.
  • Teekay sold or agreed to sell two older Suezmaxes for gross proceeds of $73 million and finalized the sale of its only VLCC for $84.5 million with delivery in Q2; total gains of about $45 million are expected to be recognized in Q1 and Q2 2026.
  • Q1-to-date spot bookings show strong forward pricing: VLCC $79,800/day, Suezmax $56,900/day, Aframax LR2 $51,400/day; roughly 78% of VLCC days and 65% of mid-size days are spot booked.
  • Spot tanker rates were the second-highest for a Q4 in the last 15 years, and mid-size rates were tracking above the 5-year high in February 2026.
  • Sanctions and geopolitics are reshaping flows: sanctioned barrels at sea are up more than 70% year-over-year, pushing volumes toward the compliant fleet and raising ton-mile demand.
  • Venezuela flows shifted from the dark fleet to compliant tankers after U.S. naval action; exports tracked about 700,000 bpd in February and look set to return toward 800,000 bpd, with upside of 200k-300k bpd if foreign investment ramps production.
  • India reduced Russian crude imports from roughly 1.6 million bpd to about 1.0 million bpd by January 2026, and a U.S.-India trade deal may further lower Russian volumes, redirecting demand to compliant tonnage.
  • Canadian heavy crude is increasingly moving directly on Aframaxes to Asia rather than transloading, supporting mid-size vessel demand.
  • The tanker order book is high, at roughly a ten-year peak as a percentage of the existing fleet, but much of it replaces an aging fleet; the average fleet age is the highest in over 30 years, so fleet growth will depend on timing of deliveries versus scrappage and dark-fleet dynamics.
  • Management prefers selective, opportunistic deployment of the cash pile rather than a large acquisition given elevated asset values; expect modest, targeted purchases and old-for-new swaps.
  • Operational metrics remain strong: zero lost time injuries and 99.8% fleet availability in 2025, supporting the company’s reliability and commercial positioning.
  • Bareboat charter accounting detail: while the recently acquired Aframaxes are bareboat-chartered back to the seller they generate only the bareboat revenue for Teekay, with no OpEx or depreciation recorded until full takeover.
  • G&A run rate is approximately $46 million annually and management expects run rate to be around that level or slightly lower going forward, reflecting the recent reorganization and cost discipline.

Full Transcript

Conference Operator: Welcome to the Teekay Group, a fourth quarter and fiscal 2025 earnings results conference call. During the call, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards, you will be invited to participate in a question-and-answer session. At that time, if you have a question, participants will be asked to press star one to register for a question. For assistance during the call, please press star zero on your touchtone phone. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Now, for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to the company. Please go ahead.

Ed, Unspecified Company Representative, Teekay: Before we begin, I would like to direct all participants to our website at www.teekay.com, where you will find a copy of the Teekay Group’s fourth quarter and annual 2025 earnings presentation. Kenneth Hvid will review this presentation during today’s conference call. Please allow me to remind you that our discussion today contains forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from results projected by those forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to materially differ from those in the forward-looking statements is contained in the fourth quarter and annual 2025 Teekay Group earnings presentation available on our website. I will now turn the call over to Kenneth Hvid, Teekay Corporation and Teekay Tankers President and CEO, to begin.

Kenneth Hvid, President and CEO, Teekay Corporation and Teekay Tankers: Thank you, Ed. Hello, everyone, and thank you very much for joining us today for the Teekay Group’s fourth quarter and annual 2025 earnings conference call. Joining me on the call today for the Q&A session is Brody Speers, Teekay Corporation’s and Teekay Tankers CFO, Ryan Hamilton, our VP of Finance and Corporate Development, and Christian Waldegrave, our Director of Research. Starting on slide three of the presentation, we will cover Teekay Tankers recent highlights. Teekay Tankers reported GAAP net income of $120 million, or $3.47 per share, and adjusted net income of $97 million, or $2.80 per share in the fourth quarter.

For the full year, Teekay Tankers reported GAAP net income of $351 million, or $10.15 per share, and adjusted net income of $241 million, or $6.96 per share, and realized gains on vessel sales for the year, totaling $100 million. Spot tanker rates during the quarter were the second highest for the fourth quarter in the last 15 years. With our significant spot exposure and a low free cash flow breakeven, the company generated approximately $112 million in free cash flow from operations, and at the end of the quarter, had a cash position of $853 million with no debt. This excludes $99 million of cash held in escrow at the end of the year related to payments for vessel purchases.

Teekay Tankers continues to execute on its fleet renewal strategy. In January, we acquired three 2016-built Aframaxes for $142 million and bareboat chartered the vessels back to the seller on short-term contracts. We expect to take over full commercial and technical management of these vessels in the second and third quarter this year. In addition, we sold or agreed to sell two older Suezmaxes for gross proceeds of $73 million, and just this week, we finalized an agreement to sell our only VLCC for gross proceeds of $84.5 million, with delivery during Q2. We expect to recognize total gains from these sales of approximately $45 million in the first and second quarter of 2026.

Looking at our first quarter to date, the tanker market has continued to strengthen, and we have secured spot rates of $79,800, $56,900, and $51,400 per day for our VLCC, Suezmax, and Aframax LR2 fleets, respectively, with approximately 78% spot days booked for VLCC and around 65% spot days booked for our mid-size fleet. Lastly, Teekay Tankers has declared its regular fixed dividend of $0.25 per share. Moving to slide four, we look at recent developments in the spot market. Spot tanker rates strengthened in the fourth quarter of 2025 due to a combination of fundamental drivers, geopolitical events, and seasonal factors.

Global seaborne oil trade volumes were near record highs during the fourth quarter due to the unwinding of OPEC+ supply costs, coupled with rising oil production from non-OPEC+ countries, particularly in the Americas. In addition, tighter sanctions against Russia, Iran, and Venezuela created trading inefficiencies, which have benefited tanker ton mile demand, while pushing more trade volumes away from the dark fleet towards the compliant fleet of tankers. Mid-size tanker spot rates were further supported by disruptions on the CPC terminal in the Black Sea during November 2025, which led to a reduction of crude oil exports for around two months. This outage opened up the arbitrage to bring U.S. oil across the Atlantic to Europe, while poor weather in Europe prevented ships and ballasts from returning across the Atlantic, giving rise to very strong rates for both spot voyages and lightering in the U.S. Gulf region.

Spot tanker rates have strengthened at the start of 2026, with mid-size rates trending above the 5-year high in February, as many of the factors which supported the tanker market during the fourth quarter remain in place. Turning to slide 5, we look at the impact of sanctions on tanker trade patterns. Geopolitical events continue to shape global oil trade flows, and in recent months have pushed an increasing portion of global seaborne oil trade to the non-sanctioned or compliant fleet of tankers. As shown by the chart on the left, both Russia and Iran have found it increasingly difficult to sell their oil due to stricter sanctions, leading to a more than 70% increase in sanctioned barrels at sea over the past 12 months.

This includes both tankers in transit, as well as oil held in floating storage, and reflects the increasing complexity of the logistics chain for sanctioned oil exports. The end result is that buyers of Russian and Iranian barrels are having to find alternative sources of oil using the compliant fleet in order to compensate for the loss of sanctioned oil. This trend is most evident when looking at Indian crude oil imports. India became the top buyer of Russian crude over the past 2-3 years, with imports averaging 1.6 million barrels per day in 2025.

However, sanctions on Russian oil companies, Rosneft, Rosneft and Lukoil, coupled with an E.U. ban on the import of refined products made from Russian crude oil, has led to a drop in imports to around 1 million barrels per day as of January 2026, with replacement barrels being sourced from the Middle East and Atlantic Basin via the compliant fleet. In addition, the U.S. and India recently signed a trade deal, which reportedly involves India further reducing their imports of Russian crude oil, which may push even more trade to the compliant fleet in the coming months. Finally, recent U.S. action in Venezuela is incrementally shifting trade flows to the benefit of compliant tanker demand.

Flows of Venezuelan oil to China via the dark fleet, which averaged 550,000 barrels per day in 2025, have fallen to zero since the onset of the U.S. naval blockade in December. Venezuelan oil is now being transported entirely by the fleet of compliant tankers, with most volumes in January being directed to the U.S. Gulf and Caribbean on Aframaxes. In the early part of February, we have also seen several loadings destined for Europe on Suezmaxes, while we understand that some Indian refiners have also booked cargoes for April delivery using VLCCs. To give an illustration of the potential impact going forward, an extra 500,000 barrels per day shipped from Venezuela to the U.S. Gulf creates demand for approximately 20 Aframaxes. Turning to slide 6, we review the key drivers for the medium-term tanker market outlook.

Underlying tanker demand fundamentals remain positive. Global oil demand is projected to increase by 1.1 million barrels per day in 2026, which is in line with levels seen in 2024 and 2025. Demand could be further boosted by strategic stockpiling, particularly in China, where the country is projected to add just under 1 million barrels per day to strategic reserves during 2026, as per estimates by the US Energy Information Administration. Non-OPEC+ supply growth is projected to increase by 1.3 million barrels per day in 2026, led by the Americas, which should lead to meaningful mid-size tanker demand growth.

The OPEC+ group, which unwound over 2 million barrels per day of voluntary cuts in 2025, has announced a pause on further unwinds during the first quarter of 2026, and its supply policy for the remainder of the year is uncertain. On the supply side, over the recent months, we have seen an increase in tanker ordering, particularly for large crude tankers, which has pushed the size of the order book to a ten-year high when measured as a percentage of the existing fleet. As a result, tanker deliveries are set to increase in 2026, with a further acceleration in 2027, though actual fleet growth will depend on the level of vessel removals through scrapping or via the migration of vessels from the compliant fleet to the dark fleet and the utilization of older vessels.

While the order book size has increased over the past year, we should keep in mind that the tanker fleet is aging, with the average age of the fleet now the highest in over 30 years, meaning that there will be a significant amount of replacement demand in the coming years. In fact, the order book, which now stretches into 2029, is completely offset by the number of compliant tankers reaching age 20 over the same time frame, not to mention the dark fleet of tankers, which already has an average age of over 20 years. So in short, while the tanker order book appears large on the surface, these vessels are needed to replace the older fleet of tankers, which are approaching the end of their trading lives in the coming years, although the timing of when vessels will exit the fleet is uncertain.

Turning to slide 7, we highlight TNK’s key achievements in 2025. Reflecting on the year, the tanker market for 2025 was strong but volatile, influenced by several dynamic geopolitical factors. With our exposure to the spot tanker market and our low free cash flow breakeven levels, TNK Tankers generated $309 million of free cash flows while returning approximately $69 million of capital to our shareholders via our regular quarterly dividend and $1 special dividend in May of last year. We commenced our fleet renewal process, including our recent transactions in January and February. The company acquired 6 vessels for $300 million, while selling 14 vessels for $500 million, booking estimated gains of approximately $145 million. As a result of these transactions, we have made progress towards reducing our fleet age.

These transactions highlight our ability to act opportunistically, given the dynamic market conditions. In addition to the fleet renewal transactions, we outchartered three vessels, extended an in-chartered vessel for another 12 months, and sold our investment in Ardmore, generating a gross return of over 14% on this investment. Overall, our strong financial result was supported by our exceptional operational performance, with zero lost time injuries and 99.8% fleet availability, important metrics measuring the safety of our crews and reliability of our operations. Turning to slide 8, we highlight Teekay Tankers’ value proposition. First, as a result of our fleet profile, our operating leverage remains strong, and the company is well-positioned to generate significant cash flows in nearly any tanker market.

With our three outcharters and no debt, we have a low free cash flow breakeven of approximately $11,300 per day, which is down significantly from $21,300 per day in 2022. For every $5,000 per day increase in spot rates above our low free cash flow breakeven, is expected to produce about $55 million of annual free cash flow or $1.60 per share. Second, Teekay Tankers has a strong balance sheet with no debt and a large investment capacity for future growth. Having $853 million dollar cash position, we can transact quickly in this dynamic tanker market. And lastly, the company’s performance is underpinned by our integrated platform. We believe our in-house commercial and technical management is a competitive advantage.

Combined with over 50 years of operating experience in the tanker industry, we provide superior service to our customers and transparency through the value chain, which drives shareholder returns. In summary, the company’s strategy over the last several years has been to maximize shareholder value through our exposure to the strong spot market. In 2025, we made progress to renew our fleet by making incremental investments in more modern vessels, while at the same time selling some of our oldest tonnage. As we look ahead, our best-in-class operating platform and strong financial footing positions the company well to continue renewing our fleet, earning cash flow, building intrinsic value, and returning capital to shareholders. With that, operator, we’re now available to take questions.

Conference Operator: Great, thank you. We’ll take our first question from Jonathan Chappell with Evercore ISI.

Jonathan Chappell, Analyst, Evercore ISI: Thank you. Good morning. Yep, thank you. Sorry. Brody, a couple of questions for you today, on modeling. So the bareboat charters for the Aframaxes that you acquired, and will take full commercial ownership in the second and third quarters. Between January and taking that full ownership, the P&L impact is that you’re just getting the bareboat rate, that you chartered back to the previous owner. There’s no OpEx, there’s no D&A, there’s no other impact except the revenue?

Brody Speers, CFO, Teekay Corporation and Teekay Tankers: Yeah, that’s right. We’re just getting the bareboat back, and those ships will actually dry dock in the first half of the year during that period too, but we’ll continue to get the bareboat rate during the dry docking.

Jonathan Chappell, Analyst, Evercore ISI: Okay, great. The other thing I wanted to ask you was the G&A run rate. So, you know, you did the whole management reorg, et cetera. So as we look at kind of the last three quarters, is that the right run rate to think about going forward? Maybe with some inflationary impact on there, or is there anything that would even make that go up or down significantly from, let’s call it the last three quarter run rate?

Brody Speers, CFO, Teekay Corporation and Teekay Tankers: Yeah, I think that’s right. I think if you look at even our annual G&A for the year, around $46 million, going forward, I think we should be about that or maybe a little bit lower. So, it approximates the run rate from the last few quarters.

Jonathan Chappell, Analyst, Evercore ISI: Okay. Final thing, sorry, just to harp on this stuff, it’s, you know, the strategic stuff, the market, I think we’ve covered that pretty well already. The DNA. So you’ve done a lot of fleet renewal, taken out the V, a couple more Suezmaxes, and then obviously you’re not going to add the three acquired Afras until, call it, the middle of the year. What do we think about for a first quarter starting point, on DNA? Is it similar to 4Q, or would it be a step down, from there?

Brody Speers, CFO, Teekay Corporation and Teekay Tankers: Yeah, it should be pretty close to what we had in Q4 there, at about $21.5 million-$22 million in the first quarter. Yep.

Jonathan Chappell, Analyst, Evercore ISI: Okay. Sorry for the minutiae, but appreciate it. Thanks, Brody.

Brody Speers, CFO, Teekay Corporation and Teekay Tankers: Yeah, no problem.

Conference Operator: Our next question will come from Omar Nokta with Clarksons Securities.

Kenneth Hvid, President and CEO, Teekay Corporation and Teekay Tankers: Thank you. Hi. Hi, Brody. Hi, Kenneth. Good morning. Obviously, things are progressing quite nicely. You mentioned the $850 million of cash you’ve got, that gives you plenty of flexibility in this market to act quickly when an opportunity arises, and you’re getting close to that $1 billion number here, seemingly, I would say, in the next, presumably, next few weeks or months. But, and you have no debt. So just wanted to get a sense from you in terms of how you’re feeling about this cash position you have on the balance sheet. Do you feel compelled to put that to work? And is there, like, a sense of urgency that you have, either at your, you know, at the management level or at the board level, that you want to put that to work?

And I guess maybe kind of related obviously to that is: how are you thinking about putting that to work when it’s time?

Omar Nokta, Analyst, Clarksons Securities: ...Is it more kind of drip feed dynamic, you know, in acquiring assets in the sale and purchase market, or are you thinking more big picture or, M&A?

Kenneth Hvid, President and CEO, Teekay Corporation and Teekay Tankers: Thanks so much. Good morning. Welcome back. Good question. Obviously, it’s a, it’s a bit of a high-class problem we’re sitting on here, but it’s, it’s not something that’s a big surprise to us. I mean, we could obviously project this out. I think what has surprised us maybe in this quarter, last quarter and this quarter we’re in here, is how strongly the market has performed. That’s obviously positive. We have still a lot of operating leverage and generating a lot of cash flow in this market. Had the market been low, we probably would have been a bit more active on the buying side. We still found a couple of ships, and we’re happy about that.

The way we look at it in a strong market, which very clearly, and we’ve seen the big uplift in tanker values here, is that we’re still an operator. We still want to renew our fleet. We still believe that there are deals that we can find in this market. But at the same time, we also recognize that the asset values have had another step up here, and that’s natural as we are seeing spot rates as we have. I expect that we’ll continue to do a couple of purchases throughout the year here. I think it’s a very tough environment to see that we do a major acquisition just because of the relative asset values.

So I think the short answer to your question in terms of big, big acquisition versus drip-feeding, I think was your words, it would probably be more drip-feeding with a couple of ships here and there. And the way we think about it is that we can still do it on a basis where we’re selling maybe one old ship and buying two new ones, and using a bit of the arbitrage that we have, as we have seen a nice uplift also on the values of the older tankers that we have.

Omar Nokta, Analyst, Clarksons Securities: Yeah. Thank you. Makes sense. Thanks, Kenneth, for that. And then I guess perhaps a follow-up and clearly related, we’re coming up on the 1Q dividend potential. I know you’ve declared $0.25. The past three years, you’ve conditioned us to anticipate a special with 1Q. Is the plan still to stick to that? And I know it’s a board decision, you can’t just speak openly like that, but, can we presume that the payout for the first quarter will be higher than what was done last time around?

Kenneth Hvid, President and CEO, Teekay Corporation and Teekay Tankers: I’m just looking for my note to your question from exactly a year ago, Omar, and I think my answer that time was that it’s something we discussed with the board at our March board meeting, and as we’ve done in the last couple of years, we typically announce any specials in connection with the May earnings release.

Omar Nokta, Analyst, Clarksons Securities: Okay. Then, thank you. I’ll try to remember that for next year. I’ll turn it over.

Kenneth Hvid, President and CEO, Teekay Corporation and Teekay Tankers: Thanks.

Conference Operator: We’ll now take our next question from Ken Hoexter with Bank of America.

Ken Hoexter, Analyst, Bank of America: Hey, Greg. Good morning. Probably I love going back to the, the May script to, to repeat it. So thoughts on, on, you mentioned the 500,000 barrels increase in Venezuela, you know, can, can provide the, the increased demand for, for a number of vessels. Your, your thoughts on timing of Venezuela getting back up and, and running, or is there an immediate amount that they’ve talked about kind of revamping and, and being able to, to scale up and with speed before long-term capital investments have to be made? Is there a potential of that increase of 500,000 barrels?

Kenneth Hvid, President and CEO, Teekay Corporation and Teekay Tankers: Yeah, Hi again, morning. It’s Kenneth here. I’ll pass it on to Christian. The oil is obviously being transported already now, as we said in our prepared remarks, but I’ll let Christian comment on kind of our outlook for Venezuela.

Christian Waldegrave, Director of Research, Teekay: Yeah. So last year, Venezuelan crude exports averaged about 800,000 barrels a day. We obviously saw in December and January after the U.S. naval blockade that those volumes fell to about 500,000 barrels a day, and it was all the long-haul flows to China that disappeared. Just looking at where it’s tracking in February, we’re already back up to about 700,000 barrels a day of exports. So the oil is starting to move again, and it’s all going on non-sanctioned ships, primarily to the U.S. Gulf Caribbean region, but we’ve also seen two or three cargos to Europe, and we know that India is starting to buy some some barrels as well.

So it looks like we’re going to get back up to the normal run rate of, you know, 800,000 barrels a day of exports fairly soon. And then I think there’s an expectation as well that with the Venezuelan oil industry opening up and foreign companies coming in and doing more investment, that production and exports could be boosted within the year by another 200,000-300,000 barrels a day, but that’s obviously dependent on how quickly they can get things moving there. So I think it’s a good story for the tanker market in terms of, you know, the exports are shifting from the dark fleet to the compliant fleet, and then if we can get some extra production and volumes moving as well, then it’s just going to benefit the mid-sized tankers, especially even more.

Ken Hoexter, Analyst, Bank of America: Great. How about the same thing, Christian, on an update on the Canada shipments?

Christian Waldegrave, Director of Research, Teekay: Yeah. So it’s an interesting one because obviously a lot of that Venezuelan crude, which is heavy sour, was going to China. And so some of the Chinese state-owned refiners that were getting that heavy sour crude will probably be looking for replacement, and there’s two areas they could replace it from. One is Middle East, heavy, heavy crude, and the other is Canadian. We have seen, you know, an increasing trend of the TMX exports going directly on Aframax to Asia, and I think it’s a natural replacement for some of that Venezuelan crude. And we’re also seeing a trend of, you know, the U.S. West Coast requirements are coming down because there’s been some refinery closures there, and the Benicia Refinery, I think, is in the process of closing down as well.

So again, that just frees up more Canadian crude to flow to China. So I think we will see some volumes picking up there directly on Aframaxes, which, again, is going to benefit the Aframax market.

Ken Hoexter, Analyst, Bank of America: Yeah. So it’s staying on Aframaxes, it’s not transloading the larger-

Christian Waldegrave, Director of Research, Teekay: For now, it doesn’t seem-

Ken Hoexter, Analyst, Bank of America: Okay

Christian Waldegrave, Director of Research, Teekay: ... to be transloading. It’s going more directly on Aframax rather than transloading a pile onto these.

Ken Hoexter, Analyst, Bank of America: Kenneth, how about a little history lesson, right? I mean, it seems like something, I don’t know, maybe it’s getting a little more antagonistic with Iran the last couple of days. If there is action, maybe a little history lesson on what’s happened with rates and volumes with military action in the region.

Kenneth Hvid, President and CEO, Teekay Corporation and Teekay Tankers: Yeah, I think it’s a good question. Right now, it’s more in anticipation of something happening and, as you’re probably alluding to, we go back to last time that we had action in the region, where there was military action, and we looked at it. Back then, we saw a run-up in rates, we saw some security fears. I think we-- at the time, we pointed out that, in-- historically, we’ve never seen a closure of the Strait of Hormuz. But of course, that’s what everybody is speculating about in the event that we see an escalation there, how is that going to drive up rates?

I would say the one difference we have this time around is that we’ve seen also consolidation in the VLCC segment. So it’s a slightly different dynamic this time around, in the event that charters will be looking to secure tonnages quickly. But I think at this point, I mean, we see rates which are as high as we saw last time, but for slightly different reasons. I think it’s just a situation we need to watch. Christian, do you want to add anything?

Christian Waldegrave, Director of Research, Teekay: No, I think like Kenneth said, when we had the last time, obviously, was last June during that 12-day conflict. As Kenneth said, I think the big thing was during that time, there was no actual disruption to flows and to movements. It was more of a security sort of premium that caused the rates to spike, and they came down pretty quickly. So it will depend if there’s military action. Obviously, we don’t know that. That’s kind of speculative, but if there is military action, it depends on whether actual shipping and oil infrastructure is impacted or not. If the oil keeps flowing, then presumably it will be a bit like last time. The effects might be short-lived, but it really depends on how some falls.

Ken Hoexter, Analyst, Bank of America: So if no attack on shipping or infrastructure, you’re then rates... Well, you’re saying they’ve already run up in anticipation, and we see it cooling off. Okay, got it. And then last one for me is the tanker order book. Now, you mentioned 18% of the fleet, the highest since 2016, but you said optically it’s different as I think you said, some of the vessels needed to replace an aging fleet. So maybe thoughts on your thoughts on supply, demand, Christian. What, how do you think we see the balance in the year ahead?

Christian Waldegrave, Director of Research, Teekay: Yeah, it’s going to be a timing issue, I guess, because as we laid out in the prepared remarks, the order book on, while on the surface it looks quite big, if you look at the fleet age profile, there was a lot of ships that were built in the late 2000s, especially 2008, 2009, 2010. So we’re approaching a big hump in the fleet age profile that needs to be replaced. So the ships that are on order right now are needed to replace the older ships, but it’s a matter of timing, right? We know when the ships are coming into the fleet. We don’t know when ships are going to be exiting, either through scrapping or other means.

So, in the meantime, like I said, the deliveries will ramp up this year, this year and further into next year. So there’s quite a bit of tonnage that needs to be absorbed. But for now, as we’re seeing in the rate environment, the fact that, you know, the underlying demand is still positive, we’re seeing more and more trade getting pushed to the non-sanctioned fleet. There are factors there that, in the near term at least, suggest that the market should stay firm, but beyond that, it’s going to depend on the timing of the order book coming in versus some of these changes that are going on on the geopolitical side. So that’s why we think, you know, we take a more balanced outlook on the medium term.

Certainly, in the near term, I think things still look pretty positive.

Ken Hoexter, Analyst, Bank of America: Great. Thanks for the time and thoughts. Appreciate it.

Conference Operator: That does conclude our question and answer session for today. I’d like to turn the conference back to the company for any additional or closing comments.

Kenneth Hvid, President and CEO, Teekay Corporation and Teekay Tankers: Thank you very much for tuning in today, and we look forward to reporting back to you next quarter. Have a great day.

Conference Operator: Once again, that does conclude today’s conference. We thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect.